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METRO Orders Next Generation Hybrid Buses
Friday, December 14, 2007 4:32 PM  

MCI hybrid bus against Houston skylineBus riders, take note: Our fleet of buses will soon become greener, cleaner and quieter.

METRO continues its lead in being a transit agency committed to reducing pollution with its two recent orders. Last month, we ordered 52 diesel-electric hybrid buses from Motor Coach Industries (MCI), and we ordered 48 Orion VII Next Generation diesel-electric hybrid buses from DaimlerChrysler Commercial Buses North America. (DDCBNA).

"Riding public transit is an important way to reduce air pollution," said Andy Skabowski, senior director of operations maintenance. "By selecting hybrid technology, it not only saves in fuel and maintenance costs, it helps METRO to do even more to make Houston's air cleaner."

Skabowski said right now hybrids are the ideal technology, but that may change over time. "It's the technology of choice now as we buy 100 buses per year. The 100 buses per year are meant to normalize the fleet," he explained.

But our goal is not to necessarily become 100 percent hybrid since technology is always improving and changing.

MCI's next generation, diesel-electric hybrids sport a 45-foot model with a new look and are designed with the most recent low-emission, clean-diesel engine technology, says the company.

An electric-power management system produces performance similar to a large diesel engine but with better fuel economy and lower carbon emissions.

"This marks yet another milestone for Houston METRO and MCI, " said Michael Melaniphy, MCI vice president public sector, in a news release. "Houston METRO is committed to cleaning up the environment and already has hybrid transit buses in operation, but this is the first time this agency will fully utilize the technology in its long-distance commuter application. We're honored to be part of the agency's solution to a cleaner tomorrow."

Our new coaches will use a type of power that activates the air conditioning unit and cools the cabin before departing, thus making it unnecessary to keep the engine idling.

Since 2001, we have been using a fleet of MCI commuter coaches from our Park & Ride lots, driving them in HOV lanes.

The 48 Orion VII Next Generation hybrids we ordered from DCCBNA represent cutting-edge technology, David Feeley, METRO's senior vice president of operations said in a statement. "Our passengers will be riding in style on the newly designed Orion VII Next Generation while also helping the environment through the hybrid technology."

These buses are powered by a propulsion system that, for the first time, uses a lithium-ion energy storage system. They offer up to 30 percent better fuel economy, while cutting emissions with 90 percent less particulate matter, 40 percent less nitrogen oxide, and 30 percent fewer greenhouse gases, according to DCCBNA.

"The technology achieves peak efficiency in urban environments, so we expect these buses to provide outstanding value to Houston," said Hank McGlynn, vice president of vehicle systems for BAE Systems, in a statement.

What this means for our riders: a quiet ride knowing you are doing your part to cut your carbon footprint by taking a METRO bus.

 

Posted by Mary Sit
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Dominic Mazoch said:

Not that it used except for bikes, but is there less cargo space on these buses because of the batteries?

# December 14, 2007 6:24 PM

coug6666 said:

I see that the orion is a faster bus than any in dmc's fleet. Are these buses going to have their acceleration capped like the hybrids you have now in service? I remember that these buses had much quicker acceleration which caused many patrons to nearly fall until it seemed metro applied a software govenor regulating takeoff speeds. I also see that you are moving away from newflyer buses. Is this a result of performance issues that arised from the newflyer series?

# December 14, 2007 8:50 PM

Cedric Collins said:

MY KIND OF BLOG POST!

"Not that it used except for bikes, but is there less cargo space on these buses because of the batteries?"

I believe there may be less cargo space because after all, where else are you going to put the batteries and such at?

Question:  When do we expect to see these models?  I saw somewhere the months next year but is that confirmed, Mary?  Thanks.

# December 15, 2007 5:53 PM

Cedric Collins said:

Since we're talking about hybrid buses, check this out (http://www.chicagobus.org/news/cta-considering-leasing-150-hybrid-articulated-buses).

May I ask, "METRO?  What was you thinking, man?!"  We could of had the opportunity to get hybrid artic buses to replace the Neoplan artics that desparately need to retire.

Can somebody here tell me why METRO backed down from this?  Thanks---and be nice with your answer(s).

# December 15, 2007 6:09 PM

Dominic Mazoch said:

Cedric:

The Neoplans were good when new, but they do need replacing.  Why is METRO getting away from them? (Artics, that is.  Neoplan went under.)  On routes like the 2-Bellaire, they are needeg BIG TIME!

And what about the P&R airtics on the 214/219?  The 290 HOV has enough traffic on it already!

# December 15, 2007 8:36 PM

Dominic Mazoch said:

The hybirds could have a higher acceleration rate due to the fact:

1.  The drive train is electric?

2.  The drive train can get power off both the diesel-electric power plant and the storage batteries

# December 15, 2007 8:41 PM

Kauzman Entertainment (From Tha Bottom) said:

"May I ask, "METRO?  What was you thinking, man?!"  We could of had the opportunity to get hybrid artic buses to replace the Neoplan artics that desparately need to retire."

IMO, they should've been retired a loooong time ago including some New Flyers as early as 1996.

# December 16, 2007 2:58 AM

Cedric Collins said:

Dominic,

       I don't think METRO is (or in my case---SHOULD) get away from the artics.  We could STILL get artics---even though METRO wants to be an all hybrid fleet.  Here's some people who could give us hybrid artic buses:

1.  NABI.  They CAN give us the regular 60-BRT bus as a hybrid model.  This bus is similar to the CNG ones that LACMTA has.

2.  New Flyer.  They can either give us artic hybrid buses in the old style or the new "restyle" version---similar to what Hamilton Street Railway has.  Check out pics of that bus here (http://www.jncorporation.ca/hsr/?Content=bus/newflyer_de60lfr).

So far, that's the only two people who can give us those kind of buses---a 60' low floor artic hybrid bus, of course.

If METRO wants to have an even more variety of hybrid buses, maybe we can give NABI a chance?  I don't think NABI can give out bad buses---not to mention the problems with Chicago CTA's 60-LFW buses.

Perhaps we can go to NovaBus?  They have a 40' hybrid bus.  Looks weird but it's a hybrid.  Check out info about that bus here (http://www.novabus.com/pages/public/produits/Nova_lfs_hev.aspx?lang=EN-CA).

"IMO, they should've been retired a loooong time ago including some New Flyers as early as 1996."

You are SOOOOO right---like the one I just rode on this morning---bus #4066 (I believe) from the Kashmere garage.

My take on the matter.

# December 17, 2007 7:22 AM

Cedric Collins said:

"They can either give us artic hybrid buses in the old style"

...similar to what Seattle's KCM has---and they DO have a lot of 'em.

# December 17, 2007 7:24 AM

MIZZ_PORKIE said:

1 answer to the question....HOW MUCH DO THEY COST?

# December 18, 2007 7:23 AM

ChloeMireille said:

Someone told me that one of the Northwest P&R drivers said that when the new buses come in, they're getting rid of the articulated P&R buses. Since I do not ride the 214-216-219 routes, I'm simply going on what someone who DOES ride it tells me. And what she tells me is that the articulated buses are standing room only as it is during evening rush.

If it's that crowded, and that's with the bus showing up every 5 or 10 minutes, the crowding is only going to be worse when the switch comes. If the 5pm bus is at capacity, then people have to wait for the 5:05. The 5:05 will fill up, pushing the overflow to the 5:10 bus and so on.

And I'm sure that everyone shelling out $3.00 to go home isn't liking that one bit.

# December 18, 2007 10:08 AM

Kauzman Entertainment (From Tha Bottom) said:

"You are SOOOOO right---like the one I just rode on this morning---bus #4066 (I believe) from the Kashmere garage.

My take on the matter."

Also I took #4007 from my house (33 to be exact) to Bellaire TC. But yeah, these buses may float around for a couple more years depending on conditon.

"Someone told me that one of the Northwest P&R drivers said that when the new buses come in, they're getting rid of the articulated P&R buses. Since I do not ride the 214-216-219 routes, I'm simply going on what someone who DOES ride it tells me. And what she tells me is that the articulated buses are standing room only as it is during evening rush."

Sometimes, I take 214-216-219 to get to NWTC but I believe six months ago, I had little word from the operator from the Northwest facility (driving the 8 route) that they may be getting those new buses but it's unclear if they are going to get rid of the Neoplan articulated buses IMO since they have like 47 of them.

# December 20, 2007 12:15 AM

barbara shaidnagle said:

Q cards? anywhere? to purchase to ride the bus?

# December 24, 2007 9:23 AM

Dominic Mazoch said:

I've asked Mary Sit about METRO's future fleet to see if artics are in the Authjority's future

# December 26, 2007 12:31 PM

Dominic Mazoch said:

Seems as if I can't spell "Authority".

# December 26, 2007 12:34 PM

Cedric Collins said:

Dom,

   If Mary Sit is watching this, I want to be added to that list.  I've already posted who can give us artic hybrid buses---if METRO so chooses to look that way.

# December 26, 2007 3:05 PM

Kauzman Entertainment (From Tha Bottom) said:

All I care is, if the new MCI buses goes the NW then I'm strapped and ready to go but who knows?

Since I take it from Downtown.

# December 26, 2007 4:27 PM

Cedric Collins said:

We'll just have to play the waiting game to see who will get all these hybrid buses.  Happy New Year to you all!

# January 1, 2008 5:33 PM

Kauzman Entertainment (From Tha Bottom) said:

Yup. Same to you too!

# January 6, 2008 1:03 PM

Cedric Collins said:

This may be a little off-topic to say but these models will become paper model replicas when the real models arrive for me to take pictures.  Mary SHOULD know about this.  This a hobby of mine that I did for approx. three years now.  To me, that can get me away from here---if I have any problems in certain areas of any of the blogs.

I still wish to know from METRO as to when exactly are the buses coming.  Just by saying the expectant months doesn't help me much.  Thanks!

# January 7, 2008 7:35 AM

Kauzman Entertainment (From Tha Bottom) said:

I'd love to stop to take a peek.

But for the rest of us, it's by surprise.

# January 8, 2008 11:21 PM

Cedric Collins said:

Just learned that (unfortunately), artic buses will not be a part of the purchase plan.  When will METRO go about messing with artic buses, that's a mystery to me.  In other words, I can't answer that.

# January 10, 2008 3:52 PM

Kauzman Entertainment (From Tha Bottom) said:

That hurts...at least we still got the MCI fleet buses though or we don't have it anymore as well.

# January 10, 2008 10:42 PM

Cedric Collins said:

Yup---it hurts---BAD!  We still have ALL of the MCI buses METRO purchased.  We still have buses 4810-4948---and 4949-4973.  The hybrid MCI buses will look exactly like the 4949-4973 buses but the rear WILL look different.  Here are the model names:

4810-4948=>MCI D4500 Commuter Coach.  If those were to be purchased today, it would be known as the D4500CL coach.

4949-4973=>MCI D4500CT coach.  The hybrid models will be the MCI D4500CTH coach.

Go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Coach_Industries) to learn all about this bus manufacturer.

Hope all goes well with this bus.  F.Y.I., we'll be the launch customer of the MCI hybrids.

# January 11, 2008 10:06 AM

Kauzman Entertainment (From Tha Bottom) said:

"4949-4973=>MCI D4500CT coach.  The hybrid models will be the MCI D4500CTH coach"

Well hey....!! It said that type of bus was a special order for Houston METRO so we have nothing to worry about.

# January 12, 2008 10:17 PM
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