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Using Cell Phones on Buses: Unveiling Your Life... from Hysterectomies to Business Deals
Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:15 AM  

Wayne Ziemianski is a geologist who has been commuting on buses and vans  from Cypress to downtown for the past six years.

His one gripe: Cell phone users who talk almost non-stop on the bus - and who talk loudly. Photo of man stomping on cell phone

"The buses are a very quiet environment, and when people are talking on their cell phones, it's annoying because it stands out," says Ziemianski. "If somebody is making a long call, they typically follow it with another. "

The other night, for example, Ziemianski says he sat in front of a woman who launched into a 25-minute business call with her boss about a supplier relationship. The call lasted until the bus reached Northwest Transit Center.

Then after a two-minute break, she started another call - this time, personal. "She talked 95 percent of the ride. You could hear every word," recalls Ziemianski. Photo of woman on cell phone

Loud, non-stop calls like this only happen about twice a week on Ziemianski's commute, but frequently enough to bother him when it does. "The buses are all filled. You can't go to the back of the bus. There's no ‘by yourself.' We're all in it together," he says.

The former vanpooler says the van had rules about using cell phones only in an emergency. A quick call to one's spouse about who's picking up Johnny is OK. A long conversation is not.

How heated do some people get about cell phone conversations?

Last May, a profanity-laced video (viewer discretion advised - subtitles have profanity at the end of the six-minute video) called "Bus Uncle" quickly became one of YouTube's most popular video with more than a million hits. It depicted a middle-aged, stressed-out businessman on a Hong Kong bus who got into an argument after a young man behind him asked him to lower his voice while talking on his cell phone.

It was captured by another passenger on his cell phone. The incident quickly became a cultural phenomenon in Hong Kong. Bits of dialogue from that argument seeped into the Cantonese language as popular catchphrases, a commercial television station parodied Bus Uncle to promote its 2006 World Cup coverage and a re-enactment was used to advertise bottled water.

Ziemianski says he would feel comfortable asking someone to lower his or her voice while speaking on a cell phone, but adds, ‘In the absence of a policy, I don't think that's right."

He suggests METRO put a reminder in its LED scrolling banner signs in front of the buses that says something like this: "Please be courteous and limit cell phone usage to emergencies."

Our neighbor to the north is doing something similar. The Dallas Area Rapid Transit system (DART) launched a courtesy campaign about six months ago called "Respect your Ride." 

Photo of group of cell phone users "Folks can use cell phones. We just ask them to use their ‘indoor voice.' The only place you can't use a cell phone is City Place station, and that's because of physics. You're 120 feet underground," says Morgan Lyons, DART's manager of media relations.

The list of what should be common courtesies is on DART's Web site - and each reminder is flashed periodically on the LED signs on its trains and buses. Those courtesies are also printed on interior rail and bus cards.

METRO doesn't have the ability to insert messages in the LED signs yet - but we will hopefully be able to do that later this year.  A few years ago, we had brochures entitled "METRO's Traveling Tips" that mentioned courteous behavior vis-a-vis cell phones.

What do you think, riders? Should we ask customers to limit calls? Or should we say nothing about limiting calls but instead, ask passengers to talk in a low voice?  When does your right to talk on cell phones impinge on another passenger's right to a quiet ride home?

 

 

Posted by Mary Sit
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David said:

While cell phone usage by riders is sometimes annoying, I don't think that it is bad enough (yet!)to warrant a policy prohibiting or restricting it.

I'm more worried about Metro DRIVERS talking on a cell phone while the "coach is in motion". I don't see this very often, but when I do, it is a bit disconcerting to be traveling in a 50,000 behemoth piloted by someone chatting on his/her cell phone!  No cell phone calls by the operator while the coach is in motion -- now there's a Metro policy statement I can definitely get behind!!

David

# February 22, 2007 8:38 AM

Daedalus said:

Limit the calls , limit the time on calls , and lower the tone of their voice for CRYING OUT LOUD :(

/signed

# February 22, 2007 8:55 AM

Eddie said:

Yes PLEASE! Ask customers to limit calls to 1 minute or less calls about pick-ups or emergencies only!

Otherwise asking passengers to talk in a "low voice" is subject to interpretation...what is low to one person still isn't low enough for another. Besides, it seems like those who talk on phones become oblivious to others around them and forget or ignore how loud their voice truly is in such a confined space.

The right to talk on cell phones should be limited to nothing more than a call for information about pick-ups or emergencies...they should not be for business communication or for lengthy personal dialogues. None of us sitting near to you want to hear about your life. This almost bears resemblence to those people who blare their radios in their cars for all to hear or feel from blocks around their car. Believe me, the rest of us are trying to block your conversation out of our minds...we are not prying into your conversation...you are imposing your life onto us.

Have some courtesy to those around you please.

Thank you.

# February 22, 2007 8:59 AM

Scott B said:

Should we ask customers to limit calls?

No. It is part of our culture now. The cell phone is now a way of life shared by society.

Should we say nothing about limiting calls but instead, ask passengers to talk in a low voice?

Not realistic approach. This may start a confrontation.

When does your right to talk on cell phones impinge on another passenger's right to a quiet ride home?

Are you joking? We are talking about a city bus here. One, you're talking about a form of transportation that can ramp up from 70 to 75 miles per hour. Two, the bus now announces its location very loudly at various intersections so that riders know where they are (in case they are unable to look out the windows.) I'd say it would be more of a courtesy than a right for one to quiet down.

There are different ways to ask someone to quiet down. You must remember though that you're invading their business and interrupting them. Rather than do this, I begin my own loud conversation with my seat partner. We begin discussing loudly today's cell phone conversation heard from three or four seats away. Occassionally, the person on the phone hears what is going on and quickly hangs up. We might get ugly looks but it can sure be fun.

In closing, I turned to a loud cell-phone passenger once as I was exiting the bus and said, "Miss, I sure hope they are able to remove that growth in time. Sounds like it might flare up or something. I'd get it checked out if I were you." She didn't realize how loud she was until I told her that.

# February 22, 2007 10:07 AM

Matt Bramanti said:

I think Scott's right on the money. We're not talking about something that needs to be regulated. It's about social mores. Cussing, belching or breaking wind on buses isn't banned, to my knowledge, but they're more or less socially unacceptable and we put social pressure against those behaviors. I think that approach works well for problems like this.

# February 22, 2007 10:29 AM

Casey56 said:

Cellphones shouldn't be banned, but the signs should remind people to talk softly.  Usually a normal speaking voice is adequate -- but people tend to shout just as they did on long distance calls when they were a novelty on landline phones.

# February 22, 2007 3:28 PM

wi11ie said:

I agree.

The most annoying thing going now is these dang "Nextel walkie-talkies"

They are obnoxious and people seem to think that they are a status symbol the have the *DE_DEEP* as loud as possible.

NO! I don not want to hear you talk to your b/f,g/f,/mom,/hubby,/wife.

No-one on the bus cares to hear it either.

I always ask that passengers use it as a phone after that annoying sound goes off and they are courteous enough to do so.

Some people are not so pleasant and tend to get bent out of shape with statements like "This is a free country I can talk on my phone any way I want blah,blah,blah" Apparently ignorance is bliss as they say..

Scott you are exactly right. Regulate it? Nah.

And bus drivers talking on their phones? Call in, get these knuckleheads off the road! Please! I do!

wi11ie

# February 22, 2007 4:14 PM

Henry Ramsey said:

I don't know what type of bus the person featured above rides on, I've never been on a quiet bus except for a long haul type like Greyhound.

On the busses I ride though most passengers with Cell phones almost have to talk loud to be heard over the whine of the bus engine, and usually the blower for the AC/heat.

That being said I think the talking loud on a cell phone should fall under the same catagory(city or federal ordinance?) that prohibits loud playing of a radios or other 'personal listening devices'.  Is that a city/Federal law or METRO resolution, btw?

IIRC, it's in the city ordinances under public transportation though.

If a passenger is talking too loudly on a cell phone or otherwise being too loud, it should be the duty of the driver to request that the passenger reduce their voice.  I believe the bus operators have authority to do this already and most times passengers will abide by a simple request.   For reasons I stated above(noisy bus) people may not realise how loud they are with having to try to hear over the ambient noise of the bus and may not even know they *are* being obnoxiously loud.

# February 22, 2007 6:10 PM

Lunk30 said:

Amen Wi11ie! I agree with everything you said.  You see it first hand and have the best point of view, in my humble opinion.  As a society, we need to respect others enough not to be too loud and to invade THEIR privacy, especially when everybody's in public.  

# February 22, 2007 8:50 PM

richard said:

In a recent USA Today poll 71% thought that loud cell phone conversations were rude. So, on a bus with 40 people, about 32 people think the loud conversations are rude and the 8 people having the conversations don't care. Because they are rude. There is no use making rules either. The bus drivers dont enforce the no eating, no drinking, and no loud radios as it is.
# February 24, 2007 6:23 PM

Anonymous said:

It's not just the cellphones, there are too many people in our society who have no manners or repect for others.  I am going out on a limb here and do like all of the old folks before me and blame it on the younger ones.  

From loud cellphones on the bus to loud music at a redlight it's all disrespectful.  And yes Wi11ie, some people do get really bent out of shape when you mention it to them.  I was threatened at knifepoint a few weeks ago just because I reminded someone that the train platforms are non-smoking areas (of course metro police were no where around and that's a whole other story since metro police never enforce this law) They claimed it was their right to smoke where ever they wanted (expeletives deleted.)  

What so many people, who claim it is their right for this or that, fail to recognize is that there is also responsibilities to go along with those rights.  Have people forgotten that there are rights and responsibilities?  I believe so.

To answer Mary's questions:

Should we ask customers to limit calls?...Not necassarily.

Or should we say nothing about limiting calls but instead, ask passengers to talk in a low voice?...This is more appropriate.  

When does your right to talk on cell phones impinge on another passenger's right to a quiet ride home?...For me this is a moot point.  I ride the bus for about an hour each morning and evening and in MY opinion it that they are too quiet (you would think you were at a funeral).  I think it would be nice to have more people conversing, you see your fellow commuters everyday on the way to work and home you at least have that in common. Talking whether it is on a phone or to each other should be kept to a low tone and be cognizant of those around you to make sure you are not offending anyone.

# February 24, 2007 10:28 PM

don said:

Most cell phone users do talk loud for some reason. More annoying to me though are the repetitious earsplitting announcements at the rail stops and on board the train and buses. I wish some of the people who run Metro would just go out and take a ride someday.

# February 26, 2007 11:37 AM

Kiwi said:

Cell phones ought to fall in the same category with loud stereos - end of story.  The last thing I want to listen to on the way home is someone shouting at their friend about the day's events.

Of course I don't want to talk to people on the bus either - just leave me alone and let me get to work or home in peace! - but that's just me.

I can't agree with Richard, though.  The drivers on the routes I take (53, 65 and 67) always tell people to quit eating or drinking, or lower the volume on their IPods if it's really blasting.  I've even seen a driver throw someone off the bus because he refused to stop swearing.  Now THAT was a welcome sight!

# February 27, 2007 1:50 PM

DominicMazoch said:

Actually, the phones are quieter than the children who ride, and have screams to wake the dead!
# February 28, 2007 8:09 PM

Henry Ramsey said:

Cell phone use by any bus driver while he's driving is prohibited by federal law and grounds for dismissal from his job.  Or so I was told by one driver.  Mary Sit, can you confirm this?

Don, the announcements on the bus are actually controlled by a volume control above the driver.  I've seen drivers adjusting it when it exceeds their comfort levels, and indeed turn it all the way down so it's a bare whisper too.  If it is really too loud you probably can ask him/her to reduce the volume a little.  On the train it might be the same, but the operators there are all but sealed in, so there's no way to talk to them.

I thought METRO was supposed to have the 'talking bus' setup to where it adjusts volume based on the ambient noise level, but that is not the case currently.   Mary Sit, any word on this issue?

# March 2, 2007 8:54 PM

brigette said:

I was just wondering what the rule is for Bus Drivers on the phone.  Many a time I have had a bus driver almost pass me by because they were not paying attention and taling on the phone.  I have been passed up more than a few times .(I'm not sure if they were on the phone)I also hear them having the most personal  conversations with the riders to the point that I figured that they had to know each other to talk that candid.  Is there a rule for them to not use the phone while driving? Or that personal coversations with their friends is limited to their breaktime or only in emergency's?

# March 5, 2007 5:17 PM

Mary Sit said:

Several of you have mentioned bus drivers who talk on cell phones while driving. That's a no-no, according to Pete Lapuyade, METRO's director of operations training.

"There is a five-day suspension for the first offense if they get caught. For the second offense within a 12-month period, they get fired," said Lapuyade.

They are asked to get off the bus to use their cells; however, if they have a 15-minute break and are sitting on the bus then, it's OK to use their cells.

Lapuyade said sometimes bus drivers talk on a two-way radio to dispatchers using a handset that looks like a traditional telephone handset.

"If called by a dispatcher, they have to answer that, or if they have to call in. It's a direct line to the dispatcher," explained Lapuyade.

If you see a bus driver talking on a cell phone while driving, call customer service to register a complaint at: 713/658.0180. A live operator will answer between 7:30 a.m. and 5:30 p.m. Be sure to report the bus number, location, time and what the bus operator was doing.

"If it's a one-time thing, we'll counsel with him and probably let him go. If there's a number of complaints about the same thing, we'll take disciplinary action," said Lapuyade.

However, if a METRO operations supervisor sees and reports the incident, the driver is automatically suspended for five days.

Contract bus drivers are subject to the same policy as METRO bus drivers, although the disciplinary action may be different.

"We used to have a lot more violations," said Lapuyade, adding that since the rules were tightened, "We don't catch as many as we used to."

# March 6, 2007 10:52 AM

Henry Ramsey said:

What about hands-free 'bluetooth' cellphone units?

Are they permitted?   I've seen a few drivers with them, mostly on Saturday, on my local 19 wilcrest route, which is a sleepy route on Saturday.  Seems to me that using that sort of device is comparable to a driver talking to a passenger and more or less permissable?  On occasion I see other drivers with  them but not often.

# March 12, 2007 8:56 PM

Mary Sit said:

Henry Ramsey, regarding hands-free "bluetooth" cellphone units:

No, they are not permitted. If you see a driver using one, report him or her. Talking on a cell phone is a safety issue.

# March 13, 2007 10:22 AM
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